SUS 500 Black Information (Prohormones)

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Genetic Edge Technologies (GET)

Serving Size: 1 capsule
Servings per Container: 60

Amount per Serving:
Proprietary Blend 264mg
1-(3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol, 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2, 3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene, D-Aspartic Acid, TPGS (Advanced Delivery System)

Recommended dosage: One capsule twice daily with meals. Do not exceed 4 capsules daily. Take for a maximum of eight weeks, and then stop for at least 4 weeks.

First off, I'm only guessing at the Epistane. The nomenclature they use is just a bit off (excluding the 2, a the beginning). So I'm ASSUMING that's what it is. A mistake? Delibberate? Who knows?

Same thing for the Max LMG. They don't use the complete nomenclature, just a portion. Why?

The only thing they fully identify is the ATP.....

And what's TPGS?

So here's you've got some sort of stack of incompletely named compounds with no identified dosage.

Who would be dumb enough to take this? Better yet, who would be dumb enough to make it?

As prohormone users ingesting potentially harmful compounds (and don't let anyone tell you thejy aren't) we need to knwo exactely WHAT and HOW MUCH we are taking. Not knowing sets us up for all manner of trouble.

Who know how much Epistance is here? Who knows how much Max LMG is here? Is that truly what's here? Why the bumble on the label naming the compounds?

Come on....

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13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)diene-17-one (Max LMG)

Trade names include Max LMG, Tren, Trena, AKA Methoxygonadiene

Common dosage: 60-120mg daily
Common cycle length: 4-6 weeks
Methylated: No
Half-Life:Long (48-72 hours)

Not a 17aa steroid so liver toxicity is not as harsh as with 17aa steorids, however the ethyl group on C-18 may make it slightly more toxic than a non-ethylated steroid (while increasing its oral bio-availability). Max LMG is progestin designed to give solid gains in muscle mass with low water retention. The progestational activity of methoxygonadiene (once it is converted to its active metabolites) is considered to be slightly stronger than nandrolone. This means muscle building with Max LMG in your cycle gives you higher quality hardening effects. Since it acts as anti-progesterone, there are decreased negative effects of extra estrogen and increased libido.

It is legal because it is a progestin, like trenbolone, nandrolone, methyltrienolone and Methyl-Dien. As a progestin, Max LMG is structurally related to the pill RU-486 and as such acts as an "anti-progesterone". This results in decreased estrogen-like effects and an increase in libido.

Research suggests that Max LMG has a half-life of about 6 hours, though it appears that it is closer to 10 hours based upon plasma levels maintained in test subjects. It is not a 17-alkylated analog and has a low potential for liver toxicity.

Most users report good results at a dosage of 75mg a day.

Some comments from users:

"As stated, appears to be an all out bulker. Great for size and strength, but notorious for bloat and the potential for gyno. I've also read that it kills libido pretty quickly. Some of the makers claimed that the libido would remain fine if one didn't use too large of daily doses though. I remember seeing people getting decent gains from 40mg - 50mg (depending on the product). It looks like most guys go up to 75mg though."

"Would be my favorite if it didn't make my nips start burning by the end of week two. Rapid weight gain on it plus the fact its not methyl are pluses. Just keep in mind i've seen many complain about it easily aggrevating gyno."

In the stomach acid, the C-3 methoxy group is rapidly cleaved off and the double bond on the A ring at C-2 is lost. At this point, a 3-oxo is formed and a metabolite known as 13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is created, which is chemically similar to norbolethone, and probably where this compound gets most of its effects.

13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is about equal to testosterone in anabolic potency, yet less androgenic. This would make this compound fairly light on the hairline with minimal chance of acne or other androgenic side-effects.

With low androgenic activity, this compound may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. The lack of androgenic potency and progestational effects make this compound likely to cause gyno symptoms. Users could stack this compound with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels and possibly prevent these side-effects.

Users experience rapid weight gain from this compound partly due to subcutaneous water retention from the progestational activity. Therefore the overall gains from this compound may lead to a bloated appearance. Because of the progestational effects, users should avoid stacking this compound with other gyno aggravating compounds. Max LMG can aromatize to estrogen in small amounts, however not to any significant degree, therefore an aromatase inhibitor would provide little protection against this compound's side-effects.

Max LMG immediately converts in the stomach into a 13b alkylated compound (13b ethyl nor androstenedione) and then makes it all the way to the liver because it is ethylated to survive first pass, and is converted into 13b ethyl nor testosterone, a steroid similar to norbolethone aka the clear.

2,3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol (Epistane)

Trade names include Havoc/Epistane
Common Dosages: 30mg to 40mg daily
Common Cycle Length: 4-5 Weeks
Methylated: Yes
Half-Life: Average (6-8 hours)

A designer steroid and legal alternative to anabolic and androgenic steroids.

Epistane is a methylated version of the controlled substance Epitiostanol (2a,3a-Epithio-5a-androstan-17a-ol), created in the 1960's and used as a treatment for breast cancer. Chemists added a methyl group to the compound to create the product known as Epistane. Epistane is a sulfur containing steroid which is known to have strong and long lasting anti-estrogenic activity as well as weak androgenic and mytropic activities.

Since it is anti-estrogenic, you can expect very dry gains from this compound. Epistane has low androgenic to anabolic activity, meaning it is much more anabolic then androgenic. Even though users will see dry gains on Epistane it does not mean that it would be any insufficient for a bulking cycle.

The occurrence rate of side effects while using Epistane/Havoc would be from mild to moderate, however they're user unique. Some users may not experience any side effects, while others will experience a combination of sides. It should be noted that the majority of these side effects are simply of inconvenience more so than a possible health affecting issue and for the most part can be resolved through simple supplementation, take sometime to read our article on combating side effects.

  • Decreased Libido/Sexual Function
  • Patterned Acne
  • Hair Thinning/Shedding (Especially those prone to hair loss)
  • Increased hair growth
  • Puffy / Sensitive Nipples
  • Sore/Aching Joints
  • Back Pumps (Dull pain in back after/during workouts)

    Increased aggression, head aches, lethargy and various other sides can happen aren't common

    It should be noted that due to estrogen regulation, sore/aching joints is typically common.

    3,17-keto-etiochol-triene (ATD)

    ATD has many names in sports supplements including:
    1,4,6 etiollochan-dione
    3,17-keto-etiochol-triene
    androst-1,4,6-triene-3,17-dione
    3,17-dioxo-etiochol-1,4,6-triene
    and more

    ATD is a potent irreversible aromatase inhibitor that inhibits estrogen biosynthesis by permanently binding and inactivating aromatase in adipose and peripheral tissue. It is used to control estrogen synthesis.

    ATD is present in some over-the-counter bodybuilding supplements as well as topical solutions that work transdermally. ATD may cause a positive test for the anabolic steroid boldenone, of which it is a metabolite. It is prohibited in amateur and professional sports which forbids aromatase inhibitors. A related agent is exemestane (Aromasin).


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